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Message programs, but real substantive programs people can believe in, even if the other side won t go along, got to stand up and fight for it. what i was going to say is you and i both know anything substantive, anything bold, anything effective, right, is not going to have any chance in the house, so if you have an option between some small bore thing, unemployment extension, these payroll extensions, tax cuts, and going big, isn t there a practical, pragmatic argument to be made for the former? i think absolutely on economic grounds everybody is making the case in order to deal with the deficit problem, we have to deal with the jobs problem, so it s good economics, on the politics ground, if we re fighting on a frame of who cuts more, how fast, that s the wrong terrain to be fighting. and there s a huge untapped reservoir of popular anger, discontent, desire to see progress on the jobs program. so, yes, he would have to do some educating of the person ....

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