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Need to win this thing the state. that is ten times, maybe more, but it ten times because we lost by a very close number. >> this committee is hearing last monday, we heard from a senior fellow from -- d.c. -- federal -- b.j. pak, as well as former attorney general bill barr. they both pasta testify that the investigations were thoroughly investigate and had no merit. here is attorney pack. >> -- general barr told him we looked into it and we don't simple things including interview witnesses. i -- listen to the tapes and review to the videotape myself. and that there is nothing there. giuliani...

Revealed today. >> we took a hard look at this ourselves, and based on our review of it, including the interviews of the key witnesses, the fulton county allegations were -- had no merit. >> abby phillip, jamie gangel and john king are all back with us. jamie, that's significant, because what people don't understand, the trump supporters don't understand is bill barr, jeffrey rosen, all these other folks, the u.s. attorney, b b.j. pak, they would have wanted to find fraud to please him, but there wasn't any fraud. >> as i frequently say about all the testimony coming out now is better late tha...

Review of it, including the interviews of the key witnesses, the fulton county allegations were -- had no merit. >> abby phillip, jamie gangel ca casey kasie hunt and john king are all back with us. jamie, that's significant, because what people don't understand, the trump supporters don't understand, is bill barr, jeffrey rosen, all these folks, the u.s. attorney b.j. pak, they would have loved to find fraud to make their boss happy. they wanted to please him. but there wasn't any fraud. >> as i frequently say about all the testimony coming out now is better late than never, but where were th...

Welcome to your world. your why. what drives you? what do you want to leave behind? that's your why. it's your purpose, and we will work with you every step of the way to achieve it. i know welcome our second panel of witnesses. we are joined today by b.j. pak, i'll smith and ginsburg. mr. pak is a former united states attorney for the northern district of georgia. mr. smith is a former sitting commissioner for the city of philadelphia, where he served for more than ten years. mr. ginsburg as one of the leading election law attorneys in the country and has represented republican presidential c...

So, kudos, i guess? but all of them, bill barr, ivanka, jared, mark meadows, bill stepien, could have said something publicly at the time. on monday, we heard from former u.s. attorney general b.j. pak, he resigned rather than go along with the big lie which is admirable and noble, but again he also could have said something. all these people had a platform. they could have just spoken the simple truth publicly not one of them did. bill barr kind of in a quote to an ap reporter. so, trump supporters, well, they believed that trump was united behind the big lie. they believed what they were tol...