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Coming from wanting to replace chief of staff john kelly, coming from the opposite sides of the west wing, behind the people who would like that job, whether it's nick ayers or mick mulvaney. there's so much of this going on, problem with the interior secretary facing ethics proebes considerations about replacing him at some point. there's a lot of problems inside the west wing right now. >> but my question is, why the leaks all of a sudden? the three of us all talk to the white house. we know when operation chaos is underway, they're often looking to distract us. could this be that there are ...

Come on, even the trump supporter, really, chaos-free, smooth-running machine? >> well, it is true. they are understaffed. i mean, jen can also speak to this. when you've got so much to do as president, you can't really afford to be understaffed on a normal day. and what they're facing, possibly in january, is having to run the government and try to process the president's agenda, while at the same time facing down maybe impeachment and certainly a whole bushel of investigations that are going to come at them if the democrats take over the house. so, right now they've got to get their staffing...