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Him. you don't want to get in a game of nuclear chicken with this fellow. that would be -- doing that would make the cuban missile crisis look like pea knuckle. >> ambassador sherman, it now seems like the president in one moment is trying to sound as threatening as possible. in the next moment he is saying he has outsourced the solution of this to china, talking about his great new relationship he now calls the president of china a terrific person, and that he's relying on the chinese now to solve this problem. what's your reaction to that part of the trump approach? >> well, my first reactio...

Feeling his way. we shouldn't overreact to him. let's see how he goes. let's play this by ear until we know him better. the new guy is i think not reliably in the same category. and, so, i think we have to be very careful how we deal with him. you don't want to get in a game of nuclear chicken with this fellow. that would be -- doing that would make the cuban missile crisis look like pea knuckle. >> ambassador sherman, it now seems like the president in one moment is trying to sound as threatening as possible. in the next moment he is saying he has outsourced the solution of this to china, tal...