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Who is he protecting by lying if anyone. and why? >> and julia we have to keepve stopping ourselves, mimi trying to emphasize one of these instances has trump's campaign chairman handing over polling to a our be, that's not done, that's not normal. we have had three people now, flynn, we have had cohen, and manafort found by a federal judge to have lied about the same thing and it's all related to russia. >> right, brian, you have to ask yourself did the president surround himself with people who are not honest brokers and continued to lie to try to protect their own self interest or are they ...

Peace plan mimi talked about as crazy when, in fact, he went back multiple times and prosecutors likely with theli cooperation of rick gates manafort's former business partner, that's how they got to the conclusion that there were multiple meetings with konstantin and he did so and knowing lied about it. >> jeremy, you have been in and out of washington your adult professional life. take a whack at explaining to our viewers how unnormal this is and why all the lying about russia. >> i want to take mimi's theory one clicke further, she posited that manafort may have been con firing with the rus...

Republican convention when manafort was a big player in fetting a pro-russian mart form introduced in to the republican platform when trump wag goes forward as the nominee. it is also, by a an, around -- dry brian, around the time we reported that people from thet fbi came to the trump campaign and said you should be careful because there is outside international interference in this campaign and we are colonel about russia. they set this up meeting knowing it was unusual and not done, and they continued to talk about sanction relief during this ti time. the number of meetings is i another thi...

Brian. a convicted felon has two tickets out of prison. one is to cooperate with the prosecutors after the conviction or after his guilty plea you should say. tell them everything that he knows, do so tooth. i, and hope that -- truthfully and hope that they join in a recommendation to the judge that he be sentenced at the low end, basically a shorter sentence. the second tick set a pardon. one has to wonder tonight whether or not this effort to lie to conceal to conceal the truth is motivated in part by i his desire to be seen by the s president of the united states as holding firm in their co...