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Russian economy truly becomes crippled and public opinion to the extent it can turn more forcefully against him does so in the coming days and weeks. >> i would like to get your thoughts on the optics of these talks that are supposed to happen at the border of ukraine and pell russ. we are hearing belarus may join in the fight with russia. >> president zelensky is trying to manage the talks. it is in his interest even though this belarusian play may be risky. from a gaming out this perspective, he's doing the right thing putting the packs on the other player. this was a -- this was a

Join russia in its invasion of ukraine. can we expect the same kinds of sanctions against pell russ? i don't know that much about the economy of that country. would it be effective? >> it would be effective. but let's consider them already to have been a proxy state of russia. so it was already operating pretty well puppet strings. and we could have expected this to come. it was not neutral grounds for zelensky to meet on. let's seat where they meet. geographically it's to the north of kyiv. so that's another age the of attack for russia to use about it was to be expected. jon: the u.s. promis...