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The truth about his involvement with the russians so you can see why he would say i won't take this to the political leadership but i'll do the right thing and take it to the fbi. >> malcolm nance and matt miller, thank you both. appreciate it. for more on the president's personal campaign against career civil servants in the justice department, i'm joined by former acting u.s. solicitor general neil katyal. when you take a step back away from the details on what happened in the russia investigation and the details of the conspiracy theory being woven, you had the president of the united sta...

Against a federal work force and our federal work force, the pendleton act set it up this way, because we don't want americans fearing that the people who read our tax returns or something like that are political and they're not. i served twice at the justice department, once in the solicitor general's office, all with career deputies and career lawyers and once in the deputy attorney general's office where mr. ohr works and both times staffed with career people and honestly it brings tears to your eyes to see how non-political these folks are day in and day out. and it was incredibly inspirin...

Personal campaign against a career civil servant i'm joined by neil. when you take a step back here and the details of what happened in the russia investigation and the details of the conspiracy theory being woven, you have the president of the united states using his power and leverage to attack over and over a civil servant in the career justice department. have you ever seen anything like this? >> not in america in recent years. we have the pendleton act in 1988 which is basically to say that we don't want a politicized career civil service and we haven't had one. what the president has don...