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I am pleased to announce the association between halston enterprises and j.c. penney. today we have signed a retail sales agreement. >> it is the largest designer deal that had ever been made, enough money to make anyone sit up and take notice. i begged him not to do the penny thing. it was going to kill us. he kept saying i want to dress everybody in america. >> it sounded like a great deal to create things for people who couldn't afford his -- >> i always shop at penny's. my mother always took me there to buy all the clothes. i come from des moines, iowa. my mother always took us there. >> i...

Years. if we can get all the republicans to vote for it, we can use the process of reconciliation, which allows by majority vote, we can to something like expand health savings account, which i'm a big advocate of. >> neil: how can that -- i'm trying to do the math here. how can that bring you to balance in five years just doing this penny thing? >> you have to understand that government grows at 6% a year. so we're going to add 15 trillion in new debt over the next ten years. so what we do, we start at a baseline of zero. instead of acknowledging that oh, government will grow at 6% a year, we...