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Points and you know, this is a strange backdrop for a move higher in stocks because oil prices are up another $2 this morning to $106 a barrel, gold, also hitting a record high, so a difficult environment for stocks, but they seem to be moving higher this morning. bill: in florida over the weekend, well over four bucks for gasoline. everybody going out over the weekend, filling up their tank and seeing these prices go up and up. martha: no matter how you look at it, people have a rising out of pocket exposure to gasoline and it's going to get worse in the coming driving months. bill: in a mome...

>> he can still go after collective bargaining rights six months down the road? >> absolutely. >> he's going to get this. he has a republican majority that has the same alteration he wants. i think at the end of the day, public is behind him in wisconsin, and the public's behind him nationally, i think the 29 republican governors all have fiscal problems. >> can i say something? this is really a misperception of what is the issue driving states into bankruptcy. yes, there are pension issues that are significant. there are issues of wage levels that have to be dealt with. the crisis for states ...

This is really a misperception of what is the issue driving states into bankruptcy. yes, there are pension issues that are significant. there are issues of wage levels that have to be dealt with. the crisis for states is a revenue crisis, we have had the worst recession/depression since '29, revenues are down 15%. all of the states costs are fixed costs, and so when you have that gap, you have a crisis, this is not suddenly the civil service workers are being paid so much more than they were two years ago, when states were doing fine. let's not confuse the issue, i disagree about union busting...

They're paying for the past abuses. >> there you have it. democratic governor, you're speaking for labor. he's saying these big pension deals are breaking the states. your reaction? >> my reaction is then we should sit down and negotiate. that's how we solve problems in this state. not by writing bills that take our rights away to negotiate. we negotiate contracts every day and we bargain hard issues every day and we revolve issues every day. this has nothing to do with these budget issues or these pension issues. they are refusing to talk to the public sector workers and they're legislating t...

They're paying for the past abuses. >> there you have it. democratic governor, you're speaking for labor. he's saying these big pension deals are breaking the states. your reaction. >> my reaction is then we should sit down and negotiate. that's how we solve problems in this state. not by writing bills that take our rights away to negotiate. we negotiate contracts every day and we bargain hard issues every day and we revolve issues every day. this has nothing to do with these budget issues or these pension issues. they are refusing to talk to the public sector workers and they're legislating t...