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Math, wolf. i mean, this is not the house. in the house they can lose 20 -- now we've seen problems with that too, the first health care vote they took they couldn't get passed, but they could lose 20 people and give people passes. you really can't here. so even though you have people who are -- they expect people db susan collins, lisa murkowski, jeff flake, people who have been difficult for them in the past, rand paul, they expect these people to vote, it's still not easy. i think ultimately they will get it done. i always defer to dana, especially on congressional stuff, they believe it's ...

Everybody has acknowledged that this is a debacle. don't spin the viewers that the roll out hasn't been a debacle. >> i agree that the website isn't working. the roll out isn't as good as it should have been. we saw it under medicare part d under the bush administration. when you roll out big plans there will be issues. >> then you take responsibility for them. who has done it? dana, who has taken responsibility? >> a glitch is when it temporarily stops working and can be fixed. this is fubar. this is a snafu, complete and utter fail. not a kink or a glitch. this is a failure. the website is e...

This is a debacle. don't spin the viewers that the roll out hasn't been a debacle. >> i agree that the website isn't working. the roll out isn't as good as it should have been. we saw it under medicare part d under the bush administration. when you roll out big plans there will be issues. >> then you take responsibility for them. who has done it? dana, who has taken responsibility? >> a glitch is when it temporarily stops working and can be fixed. this is fubar. this is a snafu, complete and utter fail. not a kink or a glitch. this is a failure. the website is ent gral to the law. >> not true....