was certainly sort of left the way it was under the control of russian rebels for a period of days, why was there not an impetus, you guys think, for the president to sort of take a leadership role with our 98 tna allies and say at the very least we should get control of the crash site or does that sound like something that could start world war ii i. why do you think the crash site was left like it was out there? luke, how are we going to do that, put boots on the grounds? the dutch certainly aren t going to. now, i do think that the european union should have had a stronger response, but, you know, these separatists control it. they have got this guy who was a colonel in the russian secret police. he believes this is the people s republic of donetsk. i think that s the big issue is ukraine has gone from being just a civil war, because of this shootdown, this has gone to a regional issue, something
site, of that scene? do you hear anything about any progress or is the scene indeed polluted? it is polluted and it s challenging because it s in a war zone and spread out over essential scare miles. but several world leaders have expressed outrage at the slow pace and pointing the finger at russia. t the netherlands prime minister saying that vladimir putin has one more chance to get things right here. describe the roadblocks. who operates the checkpoints. it feels even though you are in ukraine that you re going from one country to another. this is the people s republic of donetsk where i m standing. you need a different accreditation to do work on the ground here. the ukrainian side checkpoints are organized and civils but there are group on the other
time ago i ve just spoken to president putin, i made clear he must ensure access to the crash site so the victims can have proper funerals. all right, there s a lot there. let s go straight to cnn s phil black now at the crash site. phil, 23 the rebels do, indeed, have a black boxes, what will this mean for the integrity of the investigation and, of course, who ultimately will get those boxes? well, understandably they re considered very much to be a key item in any possible investigation that could determine precisely what happened to this aircraft. they have remained something of a focus for the international community where are they, who has them, have they been corrupted in any way? so now today the leader of the rebels, as you say, the self-declared prime minister of the people s republic of donetsk says he has technical items which may be the voice and data
the forensic inspection of that site, of that scene? do you hear anything about any progress or is the scene indeed polluted? it is polluted and it s challenging because it s in a war zone and spread out over essential scare miles. but several world leaders have expressed outrage at the slow pace and pointing the finger at russia. t the netherlands prime minister saying that vladimir putin has one more chance to get things right here. describe the roadblocks. who operates the checkpoints. it feels even though you are in ukraine that you re going from one country to another. this is the people s republic of donetsk where i m standing. you need a different accreditation to do work on the ground here. the ukrainian side checkpoints are organized and civils but there are group on the other
by imagery that, at the moment of the shootdown, we detected a launch from that area and our trajectory shows that it went to the aircraft. we also know to a certainty that the social media immediately afterwards saw reports of separatists bragging about knocking down a plane, and then the so-called defense minister self-appointed of the people s republic of donetsk, igor strelkov, posted a social media report, bragging about the shootdown of a transport plane, at which point, when it became clear it was civilian, they pulled down that particular report. we know from intercepts, voices which had been correlated, intercept that we have, to those are, in fact, the voices of separatists, talking about the shootdown of the plane, they have shot down some 12 planes,