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Further down the well than anybody else, to understand what are the really deep seeded underlying fears concerns. it's no good fighting an election campaign on the facts because actually it's all by -- >> so, you see there, they're talking about the tactics that they use in elections and that are very open about it. but, this is them talking to a per spect client. our partners hired a reporter to pose as a prospect client and that's how we bot this video. it's very revealing. there's a lot of news today about facebook respect to cambridge analytica. today we'll see a lot of news coming out. >>...

Has been. and i didn't go there to change who he was. i wanted to inform and educate a different per spect. i think we accomplish that, and to assume immediately thereafter he's going to have an epiphany is just unrealistic. that's who he is? what do you make of this comment? and do you agree with tim scott? >> yeah, i think that tim skault is a great guy, and he has realistic expectations of this president. i think, look, you're not going to change donald trump. maybe you can nudge him, maybe you can inform him a little bit. so i think that senator scott had the right expectations there. mayb...

Stretch that far without breaking but north korea will try anyway. they won't succeed this year or next. what's your take on that? >> i'm inclined to agree. the key take away is over the last two tests, one in may and july, is that they're getting better at it. including kpabts where they're able to shoot it much hire and for a longer period of time, at some point it will happen. it doesn't matter whether it's going to be two, three or five years from now, the bottom line, the status quo if we keep doing what we're doing, which is more sanctions and nothing else they will eventually get to whe...

Differently. mattis, per spect example. incredible erudite well-read warrior creative thinker yet talks and holds himself in a certain way trump likes even though he would execute differently because trump's a different kind of guy. >> i think it's peer to peer. hiring people he feels comfortable with. >> i don't think he's worked out what he wants in secretary of state. a window you'll agree, wolf, we don't see this in transitions or president-elects, working through all this in a way they pretty transparent. >> see them walking into trump tower. waiting to be miked in a meeting. >> different...

You see, i think, president obama seeing a relationship, building a relationship with donald trump as one way to protect parts of are his legacy that trump attacked during the campaign. one example would be his treatment of the dreamers. this was interesting. this one of the comments he made in the "time" magazine interview being willing to consider a very different step from that, that he lined out during the campaign. >> when you think about it, david gregory, what these two men, the president-elect and the president had to say about each other during the campaign, president obama said donal...