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The board's mission, which is to make money for our beneficiaries. what is your response to that, ruth? >> well part of the board's mission, it's the oldest state agency, is to manage these public forest lands, and the money from their sale. more were sold off 100 years ago. they have about a billion dollars in their trust. not taxpayer funds. but this is publicly owned wealth. they use a loot of it to support public libraries. they also mansioned the lands. and to talk about what is happening to forestland. as the senator points out, the timber industry itself wants to know what to do about c...

Suggests their managing of the territory they conquered has been dismal at best. basically sort of per view of a government. the municipal management is nonexistent. how accurate do you think that is? >> it's hard to know because it's so difficult to get in and out of isis controlled areas. obviously life under isis is abysmal. you mentioned the burning of the library. they took out hundreds of books and rare manuscripts. a lot on science and culture. they piled them up in the streets. they brought the students out and set fire to them. how can you describe life under isis rule where they will...

It will cause those in the 36 states to say what the effect will be. it will cause people with private insurance, remember 2/3 of people with coverage through their employers get through erisa plan. that is a law passed in 1974 that allows them to operate outside the affordable care act's per view. a third of people get their coverage from insurance that is subject to obamacare and, a small percentage of those, a small number of those get it through the exchanges themselves. anybody who is not part of obamacare with the subsidy, why somebody sort of looks like me, in my neighborhood getting mo...

Timewarner. under the per view of not only channels like cnn and hbo but only tbs and tnt, tw of the five top rated cable channels and the world's highest grossing studio warner brothers. jeff, when you look at it, what is the big difference between television in the 1960s and television today? >> back in the '60s, tv was new and exciting because it was new. if we remember this, there were three channels, mostly in black and white. tv was interactive back then. you had to get up and wiggle the antenna to see if you could get a picture. what the world of tv has become today and the united state...

That decision came down. the wind zsor decision is clear this is not a decision about federalism. the court said so. it said it didn't need to reach the question of whether the unusual intrusion into the per view of the states with respect to domestic relations law was, itself, a reason to question the law's constitutionality. instead, it was going to decide it on equal protection and on liberty grounds. so we have -- >> so all of these cases so far that we've seen at the state level have been district court judges. so the question is, as they work their way through the appeals courts, are you...