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Reverberate for decades. our adversaries are emboldened to move against america due to the weakness displayed in afghanistan. the media gave this little coverage today which is a different from how they reacted anytime senior military until officials hammered donald trump. but back to our current shrinking president biden. it is obvious from everything that has happened over the last several weeks that he doesn't care about the outcome here. only what it means for his personal poll numbers. today's report about biden's july 20 third phone call with former afghan president who fled the country ...

She has her detractors and not very vice president starts office in the opening months with this much kind of messiness and buzz. i think it is a perception problem at a minimum and how much of this is a bigger problem. i think we have to wait and see as time goes on as sochl these issues continue to unfold and as she is dispatched to be the president's voice whether it is in guatemala or whether it is on network television and views and whether it's responding to the pandemic. it's politics. the perception does matter and your ability to bring your enemies into the circle and turn them into a...

Least the perception of that concern, address? >> as i said, i arrived in august of 2016. several months before the election and that several months before president trump took office. it was not the focus of what i was doing in that six month period. >> was the issue ever raise that all? >> you know, not -- >> i think he was still on the board of the time. >> my understanding from newspaper accounts is that he just recently left in 2019. i never met him, never talked to him. i'm sorry, what was your question? >> he was still on the board when you arrived at post, and i was just wondering. at ...

Least the perception of that concern addressed? >> as i said, i arrived in august of 2016. several months before the elections and several months before president trump took office. and it was not a focus of what i was doing in that six-month period. >> okay. was the issue ever raised at all? >> you know, not -- >> he was still on the board, i think, at the time. >> yeah, my understanding from newspaper accounts was that he just recently left in 2019. >> never met him and never tald to him and i am sorry, what was your question? >> you were still on the board when you arrived at post, i am jus...

>> no, he was denying -- he said very clearly, if you lose your job, that you can automatically buy into his plan. folks need to catch the significance of that. that would mean that a lot of people would be left uncovered. you know, this is what these debates are for. we're having a disagreement about something that's very important. >> i understand that. let's go to the issue of the perception problem you may be facing. i understand you were not issuing a personal attack. amy klobuchar says, when you demonize somebody and create bad blood, it's hard to u.n.fy afterwards. forget what you inten...