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People around kushner are saying he's still involved privately. he's still trying to push the saudis towards something. but publically he flew up to new york this week. he wasn't even in the white house at some key moments during this. he did not go to saudi arabia with mike pompeo, and he's let the state department take the lead on this because there is a perception problem in this white house when it comes to jared kushner who, as everyone knows, does not have expertise in this issue, using a friendship approach to dealing with what is really a foreign policy crisis. >> i do want to shift ge...

This nominee. they will require wanted to hear for a moment. to your point you are saying president trump gets the final edit. but there are still questions as to what could be in those 100,000 pages and why would a white house want to keep certain information from the public. and if there are no ethics violations, could there be a perception problem? >> there has never been a practice for the senate to demand everything in a nominee's governmental records. you have had supreme court companies who had long years as judges. no one demands internal case files. the senate did not obtain elena kag...

>> zeke, i want to play something of what president trump said, this is july of last year. >> take a listen. congressman chris collins. right from the beginning he said trump is going to win that's why i like him. i didn't like him that much before. now i love him. one would assume someone working all on the campaign ad is featuring that. >> you can assume that as this jake mentions that this brought into the narrative right now for republicans and the problem that they have of the perception problem of president trump ran and saying he's going to drain the swamp and democrats don't have a fai...

We are republicans who stand together for free and open inquiry, and with some independence as well. otherwise we are going to lose the ability in this country to see the rule of law prevail. that's what this hearing was about, was insuring that the rule of law was undermined. >> i want to play and exchange also between congressman gowdy, another one and stzok. let's listen. >> mr. gowdy, my understanding of why i was kicked off was that based on the understanding of those texts and the perception that they might create -- >> hang on a second, agent stzok, hang on a second. you're saying it wa...

>> mr. gowdy, my understanding of why i was kicked off was that based on understanding of those texts and the perception that they might create is the thing that -- >> hang on a second, agent strzok. hang on a second. you're saying it was the perception the 13 democrats on the special counsel probe, including one who went to what he hoped was a victory party. that's a perception problem, too. they weren't kicked off. you were. why were you kicked off? >> mr. gowdy, i cannot speak to special counsel mueller -- >> how long did you talk to him? when he let you go? >> the witness will answer the q...