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The substance of it. unusual times. the gang of eight, congressional leaders that deal with intelligence. it is a four republicans, four democrats, four members of the house, four members of the senate and normally nobody from the white house would attend a meeting like that. what is your reaction to the fact not just somebody from the white house counsel's office, one could make the argue that don mcgahn, you know, has a role of making sure that the justice department does its job, but specifically, flood brought in to fight the russia probe. what is your response? >> the white house and cong...

Sides that can't look at the same piece of intelligence without coming to a different conclusion and as evidenced look at the memos. nunes memo, schiff memo. differing views there and not the way it should be. and fast nauforward to the perception problem. learning anything we have to have the leaders together. we have to have them united and sitting in the same room and in the polarization, you know, time now and really going to be tough for the intelligence committee to do the job knowing that the leaders aren't on the same page and the white house injecting themselves in this and even if th...

Organizations. and so they're just -- there simply is this perception problem that there isn't a great answer to. and this is not the first time that jared kushner has run into trouble with his family business, creating headlines that he doesn't want for the white house. his sister was in china making a pitch to investors that involved visas. and of course in the transition, jared kushner met with the russian banker, and there are differing accounts about what that meeting was about. this all traces back to the fact that although he has no longer any sort of hands-on role, according to kushner...

And does a lot of business with a lot of different other organizations. and so they're just -- there simply is this perception problem that there isn't a great answer to. and this is not the first time that jared kushner has run into trouble with his family business creating headlines that he doesn't want for the white house. his sister was in china making a pitch to investors that involved visas. and of course in the transition, jared kushner met with the russian banker, and there are differing accounts about what that meeting was about. this all traces back to the fact that although he has n...

In his family's company. his family's company is massive and does a lot of business with a lot of different other organizations. and so they're just -- there simply is this perception problem that there isn't a great answer to. and this is not the first time that jared kushner has run into trouble with his family business, creating headlines that he doesn't want for the white house. his sister was in china making a pitch to investors that involved visas. and of course in the transition, jared kushner met with the russian banker, and there are differing accounts about what that meeting was abou...