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presidential election and prevent the transfer of presidential power. >> the election lies. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and put out, i told the president this was [ bleep ]. >> the riot. i was slipping in people's blood. it was carnage. it was chaos. >> and the warning. >> i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain. >> this morning, i'll talk to one of the members of the january 6th committee, democrat elaine luria. the ...

People who have less power than you. >> you talk about oppression as part of that. do you see the current anger, outrage, incivility as a clash of democrats versus or republicans, or something else? >> so i think the reason our current politics is particularly uncivil is actually the incivility is a symptom of a polarization problem. and the polarization problem is born of the unresolved american race question. what you see with the two parties is they are very much aligned along racial, culturally religious lines and not equally. if you are a white christian you are likely to be republican an...

House, or a veteran member of congress like mr. cummings, these could jeopardize the white house's ability to continue to build relationships this fall as they try to go after issues like prescription drug reform. >> boyd, quickly on this, how big of a deal is this? will we forget about this in another week with the president potentially coming up with another statement or another move here? >> i think you're right, richard, and i think this is what the problem in our country is. the more we have a political polarization problem, we have a contempt problem where we dehumanize and weaponize eve...

The substance of it. unusual times. the gang of eight, congressional leaders that deal with intelligence. it is a four republicans, four democrats, four members of the house, four members of the senate and normally nobody from the white house would attend a meeting like that. what is your reaction to the fact not just somebody from the white house counsel's office, one could make the argue that don mcgahn, you know, has a role of making sure that the justice department does its job, but specifically, flood brought in to fight the russia probe. what is your response? >> the white house and cong...

The split between the left and the right in 87 was 17 points. now it's 33. this gap has gotten wider, dana. >> and it's not surprising given that the politicians are polarizing in such a way. that's what the cancer is in this political system now, and you have a lie like jeb bush, that was a brave thing he said. his party will seek to begin deportation against him. it is chargely a republican party right now, the crazy tax, but don't be fooled. if the democrats were out of power, the same thing could happen on that side as well. there is a polarization problem on both sides there. >> don't get...