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You. you're cautioning on being vague. that's why we've taken care to be specific. this is a man who worked for trump over a decade. he used to work in ivanka's old office. he wanted a senior administration post, didn't get it. the "times" reported if anyone crossed mr. trump or stood in his way, mr. cohen would cajole, bully or threaten a lawsuit. this isn't just any aide, is it? >> no. it's definitely not just any aide. obviously this is a close associate to president trump. you know, i think we have two things here. one is, there's obviously a very significant case being built that looks at...

Something where he's criminally -- found criminally guilty of wrongdoing. but as glen said, russia keeps coming up. it creates a perception problem. and i think not only that, but what we've seen in the past, when these sorts of stories come out and russia's back in the headlines, particularly in ways that are significant as this, the president tends to overreact. and that's where he gets himself into trouble. which we've seen before. the other thing i would say is, if you go back to when this was happening, and when president trump was then a candidate talking about russia in positive ways, a...

And then like debbie wasserman schultz's case, a hard drive smashed up in an i.t. guy's garage -- doesn't that sound like obstruction of justice? politics aside. if i did all that, wouldn't i go to jail? wouldn't i be likely indicted? >> it's really problematic behavior. also they deleted 30,000 emails by a contractor, not anyone associated by the clinton campaign.i' we want the same rules to apply to politicians that are applied to us. i can understand there is a real perception problem out there. >> sean: danielle, you are a good sport. i don't know why you come on my radio and tv show. >> p...

On whatever issues they were talking about in the one-hour meeting. but he didn't do that. he didn't say anything about it. he kept talking about, you know, when he was tweeting, the next day -- in the two days that followed the meeting that he had, the two-hour meeting he had, he talked about what he had talked about, he furthered the u.s. interests, he said nothing about this other meeting. there's a problem here. there is a perception problem and there may be an actual problem, but we don't know. but 25 years of journalism experience for me, my antenna are on fire. i don't know what it is. ...

If it was a positive interaction where he was furthering the u.s. interests, as much as he talked in the two-hour meeting about the american public, he would have, i think, say that he continued to press putin on whatever issues they were talking about in the one-hour meeting. but he didn't do that. he kept talking about when he was tweeting in the next day and the two days that followed the meeting, that he had the two-hour meeting that he had, he kept talking about what he had talked about, that he had furthered the u.s. interest. he said nothing about this other meeting. there is a problem ...