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>> nationally and in iowa. i was in iowa with jeb bush and he spoke to the ag summit and the response was fine, but it wasn't anywhere close to what some of the other folks got. his challenge there, his challenge nationally, is perception. people don't know about the record in tallahassee as governor. they view him through the prism of his last name and common core and immigration reform. he's got perception problem that he has to overcome and it is going to be a real challenge for him during the course of the primary. he'll have the money to fix it, but it ain't going to be easy. >> kathleen,...

The constitutional fight. the issue is a constitutional fight, not everyone understands it as that. this is really about the president's power. they understand it. to what maria is talking about this is about republicans again just like they did the last two years, they don't want to push immigration reform. what it looks like and what it is may not be the same thing but it may not matter. >> that's the perception problem. that's the box that i think the republicans might be in. >> you look at how this issue is playing out in the press and on tv and where americans go to get their news and it ...

I don't disagree with you about the constitutional fight. the issue is a constitutional fight, not everyone understands it as that. this is really about the president's power. they understand it. to what maria is talking about this is about republicans again just like they did the last two years, they don't want to push immigration reform. what it looks like and what it is may not be the same thing but it may not matter. >> that's the perception problem. that's the box that i think the republicans might be in. >> you look at how this issue is playing out in the press and on tv and where americ...

Republican, gets dicey in 2020. 2024, given the country is young and it is un -- it is less registered to vote than it should be in terms of its population, you move that line up and you can't win. i don't disagree with you about the constitutional fight. the issue is a constitutional fight, not everyone understands it as that. this is really about the president's power. they understand it. to what maria is talking about, this is about republicans again just like they did the last two years, they don't want to push immigration reform. what it looks like and what it is may not be the same thing...

That a woman who wants to break the glass ceiling should be, now you we realize that she was going to countries around the same time that money was coming into the foundation for these countries. not only were they violating ethics laws but you have this perception problem where baskly now the secretary of state donor travels are donor maintenance. she is out practically donor maintenance is a phrase we use in washington go around patting people on the back wink and nod send a check to you. not directly fundraising. kind of fundraising. this sure is what this looks like to me. >> clearly givin...