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Been doing taps and surveillance since january of 2001 on these people, the fbi. >> right. which means it was betrayed early on. we let it run. hopefully they didn't do damage. that seems to be the case, but it shows you that the more things change in rush sa, the more things stay the same. and this is, for all intensive purposes, a government and estate run by former members of the kgb. and it shows that in behavior like this. >> all right. daniel silva, thank you so much. it is great to have you. we thought, in this case, you have to turn to a spy novelist. >> you have two big books. "the de...

Out. >> i read you searched the web and u just find -- you just find stuff. >> i do random research. i don't do structured research. i just surf the net. you find the most amazing stuff. >> that's how we do our show. but it is not as successful. >> that's how we found andy. >> that's how we found you, on craig's list, but for entirely different reasons. >> congratulationses on your success. you have another one. i read 61 hours in literally three days. it is fantastic. perfect beach reading. and you have another one the end of the year? >> october, october 19th. >> i will be reading it right a...