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28 page bill and it still had the flex components, but then this whole new concept of a tuition tax credit program was added. >> i've heard you call this an anti-public education bill. but as i understand it and please correct me if i'm wrong, it's not just to send them to another private school. they could send them to another successful public school district, could they not? >> that is an option. i don't think i've used that term. i think that that is one of the criticisms of the bill. and let me tell you, we in the education community understand that we need to address the problem of low p...

Really figure out what is going on with it. >> we talked about the criminology aspect of it. it felt like there was another potential policy aspect. that is education. i think of the national level or state level rules for sort of outcomes in education. i'm looking at this map and as you pointed out, not only is it is map where crime is in the city, it's a map where you have low performing schools. ought we not put lead on top of our outcomes and not saying you have to close your school because you are dealing with students who are lead poisoned. >> correct. the mapping of a city is really eas...

Don't have good schools. so what happens if you have a family and you have children and you want to send them to your local neighborhood school but all around you are low performing schools. that's the huge issue. it's about having equal access to quality education. the other thing is when i was bussed as a child, the travelic irony is i did not get bussed for a better education. i went to a school that was probably worse than the school in my own neighborhood. >> so they indegrated you but didn't provide a better opportunity. jelani talks about this golden age of segregation narrative but the...

But they were implemented in a way that had these race positive -- race negative effects. as i always am sort of on hold for what our actual implementation looks like. at the same time that i want to say there should be a critical intervention in the issue as you pointed out of low performing schools, is not necessarily about race. it's about that intersection between race and class. >> i think there's something to be said for implementing some form of socioeconomic action. because it removes a lot of the white angst and sense of lost privilege and sort of resistance to that. at the same time,...

We have seen the biggest transformation in terms of school reform in a generation. and we've helped some of the country's lowest performing schools make real gains in reading and math, including here in new orleans. we've made it our mission to make a higher education more affordable for every american who wants to go to school. that's why we fought to extend our college tuition tax credit for working families, saving millions of families thousands of dollars. that's why we fought to make college more affordable for additional 200,000 african-american students, by increasing pell grants. that'...