Like this, and this is a bold action, but we have been working with industry to come up with a number that makes it worth while for us to put this proposition forward. there's a lot of heavy lifting with this proposition. but in initial conversations with the committees, everyone is leaning in to say how can we do it versus we can't do it. >> and can we reclaim ships from the so-called ghost fleet? >> here's what we're doing on the perry class is one that we're looking as. one, we're not going to do a lot of them. there might be 10 perry class in the zone to be retrofitted. but what we're look...