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Will say if perry versus schwarzenegger does go up to a higher level, if it's escalated up to a supreme court case, that will be part of the argument that was made at a lower federal court, that it is against the constitution. we're talking about inalienable rights here. it's not part of the preamble but a conservative tenet, individual liberty, individual responsibility. the case certainly can be made, and it will be made. mr. olsen has already made it once and will continue to make it if there's an appeals process. >> unless the crazies in your party get rid of the 14th amendment and then yo...

There's not a lot damage, not like one broke your arm or did something that has a lot of damage so you might spend a lot of time making a point. i'm not sure it's the best use of your time. although if a -- at some point the statute needs to be challenged for constitutionality so the state of arizona knows whether or not this is constitutional or not but the thing that i have been concerned about, which is different, is this. if you're doing something weird, casing a joint. police have the authority to stop and ask you questions. perry versus ohio. the supreme court decide that had case. the q...

Good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. leading off tonight, the president's speech. in just two hours, president obama will make his way into the chamber of the house of representatives to tell congress and the country how he will create jobs. the president's plan has a big name. the american jobs act. but will it be big enough, bold enough to turn around the economy, and with it, his presidency? on this first night of the new nfl season, by the way, will the president throw the long ball or keep it taught and go for three yards in a cloud of dust? thus, and plus -- the one thing...