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The investigators who are working on this stuff are using that federal grand jury and that eastern district of virginia to get their work done through that prosecutor's office. and that much seems like solid in terms of what we know. but you know what? do not underestimate how weird this can get and how fast it can get weird. things are -- i mean, things are weird right -- things are weird in general right now. things are weird just today. today, for example, the white house held a press briefing and not only did not allow cameras into the briefing but they would not allow reporters to use any...

Not only did not allow cameras into the briefing but they would not allow reporters to use any recording devices at all. for the press briefing. you're not allowed to record the sound of the white house spokesperson's voice. while that person gave a briefing to reporters. huh? did the person stand behind a little sheet? put a flash behind his or her head to see them this silhouette? speak through a device that makes you sound like this? why are they doing this? we don't know. very strange. also strange, on a fres no, california, radio show, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, the...

Focused on china and his crazy foreign policy that maybe he would be running for president. but that's not what he did. so i think for reporters going forward they must look at what is this person running on. what are they? what is the foundation of their candidacy and if it's based on a lie, call it out for a lie. and then let that person stand or hang on their own words tom be taken seriously as a candidate especially rising to the top -- but not to the top, second or third place in republican primary voters based on a lie, you have to ask yourself if you're a political reporter or political...

Must look at what is this person running on, what is the foundation of their candidacy, if it is based on a lie call it out for a lie. based on a racist lie, definitely call it out as a racist lie. then let that person stand or hang on his own words. but to take him seriously as a candidate, especially, you know, rising to the top of, not to the top, but second, or third place, in republican -- amongst republican primary voters based on a lie, you have to ask yourself if you are a political reporter or pundit, is this sustainable. and we knew from the very beginning it was not. >> jonathan, is...

Foreign policy that maybe he would be running for president. but that's not what he did. so i think for reporters going forward they must look at what is this person running on. what are they? what is the foundation of their candidacy and if it's based on a lie, call it out for a lie. and then let that person stand or hang on their own words tom be taken seriously as a candidate especially rising to the top -- but not to the top, second or third place in republican primary voters based on a lie, you have to ask yourself if you're a political reporter or political pundit is this sustainable? we...