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Of that dupeplex they used to have. >> up in harlem? >> but he's never been a fool. it makes me wonder if he hasn't playing the long game of hoping the president saves him. that's more complicated than you think even at this point. >> you don't know because, listen, i'm not saying it was. but what if the senior -- who is the senior official? what if the senior official was the guy, right? >> the president? no. the president would have to be the person who directed that person. if he fits into the equation at all, that would be how. but let's pick it up at the top of the show. >> okay. but just...

So i start with you, roger stone says i don't recall, i didn't do it, they can't prove it. >> mueller can definitely prove it. that's why he put it in the indictment. he has the receipts and the evidence to back it up. so i think that roger stone might be in a certain amount of denial if he believes that that can't be substantiated with evidence. i also want to point out that stone tried to suggest he had no direct contact with russia or anyone from russia. you have to read this indictment along side the indictment that mueller filed against the intelligence officers for the hack of the dnc se...

Pardoning roger stone and certainly his lawyers are going to advise him at this point in time that that's not a wise thing to be talking about at this point in time, especially in advance of the mueller report coming out. so hopefully we won't hear anything like that from the president. >> do you think he can pardon him, jim? >> he has the ability to. >> can he pardon somebody to keep that person from incriminating him? >> i don't think you'll see anything where you'll see any movement toward a pardon in this matter. this thing would have to be done and finished and long over before any of tha...

Showtime. and also the author of impeachment and american history. good evening, gentlemen. i want to start by taking a look at part of this indictment where roger stone is talking to person two, randy creditco about giving false testimony and pleading the fifth. stonewall it, plead the fifth, anything to save the plan. what is more interesting is this, the watergate tapes talking to hr mitchell. watch this. [ inaudible ] >> stone was literally quoting richard nixon when he was talking to people about this. i mean, you can't make this stuff up, can you? >> no, he admires richard nixon. i mean ...

His home in florida wasn't the only one the fbi searched. agents also showed up at the duplex he shares with my next guest. kristen davis once testified before mueller's grand jury. welcome back to primetime. this is not what you want to be doing right now, but you want to support your friend. how concerned are you? >> i mean, i am concerned. they obviously indicted him already and he's been arrested. i'm also concerned because i watch cnn all day long and everyone had an opinion but no one knows roger personally and most of their opinions are based on their own agenda so i think we should put...