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So, you know, i think it's a knowable answer to this. but, man, we're 15 months in, chris, and we're still, not, really any closer to absolutely, convincingly, ruling out one of these origins. >> dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate ya. all right. so, let me give you a perspective shifter and then i got a gift for you, after the break. or at least, it's a gift for me. all right. here is a problem. we have covid. all this political -- here is a problem, you should be happy we don't have. look at what's happening in rural australia. you know what those are? mice, everywhere. flooding farms, devouring ha...

Human it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human to human transmission. i just don't think this makes biological sense. >> chris, i hope that makes sense. basically what he's saying is at the jump, the point of the jump the virus sort of sputters along for a while. it's got to figure out humans. this thing came screaming out of the gates at 90 miles an hour. and that's why redfield and a lot of others believe that's because it was already being exposed to human cells in a lab. i think it's a knowable answer to this. but, man, we're 15 months in, chris,...

Example of just fighting through it. tough times come everyone's way. and i write in the book, it's not fighting in syria, right? i have perspective on it. but everyone struggles. and i think if you can see those moments as a chance, arguably one of the only chances in your life to grow and to get stronger and maybe wiser and better, maybe it's a perspective shifter for you when tough times hit. harris: all right. "settle for more," you've got to pick it up. you can't have mine because i've earmarked so many of it, it looks like a post-it convention. megyn: nice. thank you, harris. harris: you...