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Like that would have been weak. it would have put him in a position where he couldn't lead. all of a sudden now, it's better than any other scenario because at least it keeps some stability in the house. in the house leadership. at this point, i think those are the most viable scenarios because i think you have -- the question is how many tom coles, pete kings are there versus the freedom caucus? and a lot of the guys that support boehner don't talk. a lot of the freedom caucus talks. so there's a rhetorical assumption that they're the majority opinion among the conference. i don't think it is...

Forces behind the defund obama care movement that led to the shut you can here today and plenty of conservative thought leaders, radio hosts, members of congress who said that defunding obama care must happen. and then look who didn't. you didn't see a lot of pragmatists from the capitol hill come over here, the john mccains, pete kings of new york. and paul ryan who sort of straddles the divide between the tea party and the establishment was supposed to speak here, anderson, but as you know he's sort of the architect of this new deal that's unfolding on capitol hill. he addressed the group by...

[ audience boos ] >> and you know why? and you know why? because the men and women in this room scare the living daylights out of them. [ cheers and applause ] >> some hecklers aside though, this is friendly territory for the hard right and historically has been a tremendously important place for future republican stars to shine. peter hanby joins us now. any word on how they're reacting to a possible deal to reopen the government that wouldn't include defunding the president's health care law? >> reporter: not well, anderson. the tone could not be more different between what we heard on capit...

Led to the shutdown here today and plenty of conservatives, members of congress that said defunding obama care must happen. and then look who didn't. you didn't see a lot of pragmatist from capitol hill, the john mccains, pete kings of new york and paul ryan who start l -- straddles the divide was supposed to speak here and he was the architect of the new deal on capitol hill. he addressed the group by video message. it was very brief. he made no mention of obama care and received only small applause compared to what we saw earlier today for michele bachmann, ted cruz, et cetera, anderson. >> ...

Leaders, radio hosts, members of congress who said that defunding obama care must happen. and then look who didn't. you didn't see a lot of pragmatists from the capitol hill come over here, the john mccains, pete kings of new york. and paul ryan who sort of straddles the divide between the tea party and the establishment was supposed to speak here, anderson, but as you know he's sort of the architect of this new deal that's unfolding on capitol hill. he addressed the group by video message. it was very brief. he made no mention of obama care and received only tepid applause. that's compared to...