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Law enforcement and intelligence. so i'm hopeful in the long run that some good may come of this terrible tragedy by learning something about the psychology of people that get caught up and become radicalized. >> i mean, after all this time and all the cases that have been looked at, often in retrospect, as you said many times the terrorists are dead, is that not only already kind of clear? i remember reading peter berg en's book which is an analysis of american jihadists and there isn't one particular path that people take. >> no, there isn't. that's quite true. and that's something, you know...

Having terror ties. so apparently he was worried about that but tonight the justice department put out a statement saying that there is no reason for him to fear arrest. so what's happening now is it's thought that they will stay in pakistan for 24 hours or so where a plan will be sorted out as to where they go, whether it's canada or the united states, and when. >> i appreciate that. get perspective now from david road who is a cnn global affairs analyst. he was held captive by the cal ban for seven months. also with us is cnn national security analyst and author of united states of jihad, pe...

Represents a change in pakistan's, you know, decade long support for the ha can any network or is this sort of a one off. they got this intelligence. they'd be embarrassed if they didn't act on it and they've done this, but nothing will change in terms of their long-term strategy. >> peter, one of the things the president had said when he sort of hinted about this yesterday was saying that a military adviser had come into him and is, look, this wouldn't have happened years ago, that the pakistanis wouldn't have done this. the question is does the president get some krut for the tough rhetoric ...

Remnants of the current regime will stay but his departure would be a major signal. >> to sharm el sheikh or where do you think he'll go? i don't think he wants to go to montel neg grow. i think we're finding people moving the something in the center. peter berg en, good luck with the book. it's called. >> "the longest war." >> my new friend ab head fakar from aljazeera. senator rand paul is unleashed. the tea party favorite has cast noteworthy votes in the senate. now he wants to cut off aid to israel. his reason, you'll get it in the side show. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc.