And that's "the angle." joining me now is dr. peter mccullah. we've gotten to know each other where these lies were used to hurt people's careers. to silence them, to demonize them, to take away perhaps hospital privileges, and you and others like you were right all along. i know we're not here to just pat you on the back, but you knew it. all of these other guys knew it. why didn't the others know it, or did they and they just pretended that they didn't? >> laura, you've put together a team of medical experts that i think have really been true to the data. we've cited the data. followed this ...