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Pun is, quote,rurated by this war, and, quote, surprised, that was the word he used, by ukraine's resistance. >> reporter: yeah, it's interesting. burns was also asked about pew ton's mental state. he said that he thinks putin's insulated from other points of view and anyone who might challenge or question his opinions. andor people have suggested that, too. burns also adding that in his opinion, that doesn't make putin crazy, but it does make him extremely difficult to deal with. david? >> lshgtall right, ian, thank y as you heard ian report there, it was just last night here, president zel...

>> i don't like what pew ton's saying. >> i don't care about putin's confidence. >> okay. all right. well, i've seen the message change, if you want to -- as i watch it. they initially led with, we want a stable and predictable relationship. that's still their taking point. they still say it, but it has a more edge today than it did just a week and a half ago. honestly don't believe you can have a stable and predictable relationship with vladimir putin. how can you have a stable and predictable relationship with someone who annexes territory of his neighbor? that props up a dictator in syria a...

In court or not -- well, they're presumed innocent until there's some adjudication. but what mueller is doing here is, saying, well, we found him not presumed innocent, we don't think he's innocent, but we're not going to charge him and we're going to sort of leave it out there for the people to decide what to do with it. i found that to be giving the russians the bigger benefit of the doubt than the president. >> paul begala, is that how you see it? i mean, because, again, it just -- logically, it does seem like it's mueller saying the russians can be charged, because they can have their day ...

What, rachel? yes, try to elect a president which apparently they succeeded at, but it was more than that. i think they play a long game. you know, i don't know whether trump is a witting or unwitting tool of pew ton,utin, i don't k that. but it's clear he's playing checkers and putin is playing three-dimensional chess. putin has a very clear vision of what we wants to accomplish, and high on his bucket list is undermining democracies. and he uses money, he uses blackmail, he uses all kinds of inducements to political leaders and business leaders to try to bend them to his will, to make them p...