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Need for a full-scale invasion. but u.s. intelligence also indicates that russian officials have doubts about whether or not a full-scale invasion would work. where do you see things standing at this moment? >> i see president putin looking at this as an operation in three phases. the first phase is to build up forces and extract as much discord and as many concessions from nato and ukraine as possible. second phase is, depending on how the first phase works, go in big. use that great-armed forces he has built. he's got incredible weaponry now. he's got things we don't have at our arsenal. we ...

From nato and ukraine as possible. second phase is, depending on how the first phase works, going big. use that great-armed forces he has built. he's got incredible weaponry now. he's got things we don't have in our arsenal. we could not stop this if we deployed the u.s. military there the way it's organized. he has got electronic warfare, he's got a nuclear weapons capability standing by. he's got -- supremacy over ukraine. so, this could be really ugly. and that is what the u.s. military, that's what lloyd austin was trying to say. and the third thing is that after he does it, if he does it,...