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This is something that we believe is really important for the future of our country and for us to do what's right. >> he has a vested interest. technology companies say they have jobs and not enough skilled workers to fill them. they holler that u.s. universities educate some of the most educated students in the world and then send them home to their countries. it's something that bill gates has complained about on this show when speaking recently with christine romans. >> particularly stupid for the american government to require us to fully educate people with ph.d.s and ship them out of the...

Control their partners day in, day out, what they wear, who they talk to, what they do. hi targeted women. it doesn't matter how vulnerable you are. i've seen women who have ph.d.s and medical degrees and you name it. it's because the partner believes it's their right to control them all the time. and this is such a bizarre case. i mean, his point about consensual sex, there is no way to mix 90 pounds of chains and captivity for 11 years and consensual sex. those are completely preposterous. >> i want to play the one moment when there was a tiny, slight pin prick of empathy in me as i watched ...

>> cindy, the fact this was trying, at another point he was saying, look, i was a musician, he was around. this gets to the two facedness of the real evil that happens in domestic violence and behind closed doors. people that have relationships with co-workers and friends and family and people have no idea that in their intimate lives, with the women in their lives when they're capable of. >> i agree completely. i think this is such an extreme case, but it is so common that domestic violence abusers, stalkers, perpetrators of sexual violence, they can be charming and swath and fabulous co-work...

Be a good thing for the economy. immigration is a good thing for the economies. there are winners and losers. for lower skilled workers, it's going to be hard. this is why it hasn't been disaggregated before. high skilled immigrants are not controversial. they haven't passed bills to bring in people with ph.d.s precisely because you need to deal with the 10 million problem. >> let me ask you, e.j., in terms of the long lens for the president, if he doesn't get immigration reform passed, how devastating is that for him in terms of anything else he may get done and what are the implications in t...

Away doing nothing, is still difficult for me. i think a critical question may be here is, do they piecemeal, do piecemeal legislation and go to conference. the bill crystal/rich lowry piece said do not go to conference. once they go to conference you probably get something, but they may resist that. >> annie, if this house rejected -- if the senate even rejected background checks at 90% of americans supported why are they going to weigh in on immigration which is a much more mixed bag, especially in these districts that made the republicans, the majority party in the house? >> i mean the prob...