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The officer says he told that driver to this show his hands, but brisban stuck them into his waistband. according to a police spokesman, the officer drew his gun and he ran towards nearby apartments. when the officer caught up he says there was a struggle and that's when the officer believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding the suspect's hand in his pocket. if yet to be identified officer fired two shots, killing brisban. in his pocket, a bottle of pill ls. back at the table, phil lib lip agnew. and the president of the center of mr.sing equity. so here's my question to the former pol...

>> that's right. there's a front loading of safety, but when i call a police officer about something going on in my community, those parameters are not set, and the empirical evidence that i have is that a police officer is going to judge me first as the criminal. and that guns and there's two americas here. right? >> right. and i'm talking about one of great privilege in that moment. >> i don't need to validate that point at all. i just want to second that and then add another layer to that. as i was a police officer in the police department, there was that concern that you mentioned, phil. s...

>> the person i would put at the top would be very different than someone who does have the respect of officers. is that a reasonable argument? >> i think regardless of who is going to head this task force, it's important for the task force to be as comprehensive and as wide as possible. and quite frankly, part of widening that you need to collect data, you need to collect data in a different way that's normally being done. i think the work that phil has been doing with center for police inequity is vital. you can't fix it if you can't define it, calculate it, and point towards the data. we're...