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Withholding the why, the motive, for a reason. as phil mud was sort of saying earlier, that there is a lot more to come when you begin to sort of read between the lines of what mueller knows and isn't telling us. >> juliet, you are shaking your head in agreement. i want to know why. >> absolutely. first of all, someone is finally going to jail for hillary's e-mails. i don't think it is who of the lock her up crowd thought. let's begin with the basics. that the democratic candidate's e-mails and her team's e-mails were stolen. i totally agree with gary. i think that the -- i have been saying th...

Senate. with republicans, that's likely not the case. >> good point. phil mud, buzzfeed reports they have other witnesses, e-mails, texts, documents that corroborate what michael cohen is saying. in mueller's sentencing memo, as far as michael cohen, mueller writes this. cohen provided relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the white house during the 2017/2018 time period. and thenned ed adds, cohen des preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries while continuing to accept responsibility for the false statements contained wit...

Them. we don't know yet. >> didn't be as simple as greed and wanting to get out of debt that we know that he might have been making a financial deal of some kind? >> sure. but he wanted to pass the information because he wanted to pay off debts. we know from his court appearance that his business was in trouble. but the question i have is why did he think they were interested in that information? i want to know what he expected intent. what he expected them to use that for. it can't be good, but we just don't know the answer to that yet. >> all right. phil mud, nia-malika henderson, julie robe...

Cnn learned late this evening once again this president will double down on a controversial decision. the military has been ordered to withdraw half the troops in afghanistan. if your head's not spinning, you're not listening. i want to bring in wesley clark and phil mud. we need to steady the ship, give me a sense of the proportion of what's going on in our government right now? >> i think the -- this is a really dangerous time for the u.s. government, it's christmas holidays. you have a lot of snap decisions being made by a president who is famous for snap decisions. these are consequential ...

With these and better subjects, i believe it is right for me to step down from my position. cnn learned late this evening once again this president will double down on a controversial decision. the military has been ordered to withdraw half the troops in afghanistan. if your head's not spinning, you're not listening. i want to bring in wesley clark and phil mud. we need to steady the ship, give me a sense of the proportion of what's going on in our government right now? >> i think the -- this is a really dangerous time for the u.s. government, it's christmas holidays. you have a lot of snap de...