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The breaking news we are following with the deadline now less than half an hour away. we are standing by for word from the u.s. justice department that it has filed a legal paperwork to try to convince a u.s. appeals court to reinstate president trump's travel ban. let's bring in our political and counter-terrorism experts. phil mud, you are former cia officer. when they argue, the justice department, working for president trump, that courts do not have access to classified information about the threat posed. these are the quotes, posed by terrorist organizations operating in particular nation...

Intelligence report, but the stuff that's not in that report, it is information about the sources. his report says source a says this, source b said that. without knowledge who those sources are, we just can't decide. what we would do in the intelligence community, for every one page of intelligence report that might go go to people like phil mud to read, there might be 100 pages or more on that person, on their motivation, on their access, who are their sub sources, why is this person talking. this is the type of information we would have to know, if that source really has the information acc...

Interviewed. this is how the russians do it, it is how they have done it forever. so the strange details people would read in there might make them think this is crazy are not so crazy in the russian sense. >> phil mud, take the final 30 seconds. i hope you speak to the serious way putin takes these matters, thinking of the case, why i wanted that widow to be here. >> i know the wife, wonderful human being. we are talking about a russian entity that hasn't interrupted the process for a republican party or democratic party, they interrupted the americans' right to vote in a free and fair electi...

The fact it is under questioning of the united states and russian involvement and the fact mr. trump has questioned the fbi must have driven federal officials to say if we don't tell the president-elect this is swirling and he finds out elsewhere, we have a bigger problem. >> i will accept phil mud's characterization it is gossip, yet i still want to ask john cypher, does it nevertheless fit the m.o. of putin that he seems to gather this kind of data on business leaders, for example, that come to moscow? >> this is where i might disagree a little with phil. i think that information is complete...

>> you need to be sure who you're dealing with. president of russia for last 17 years just shown he plays the dirty game. >> marina, we wish you good things. thank you for being here. >> thank you. more on the man that prepared the dossier on trump. former british spy christopher steele worked undercover in russia and paris. joining me, retired cia agent, john stiefr, 28 year veteran, ran the cia russian program three years, and counter terrorism official, phil mud. john cypher, i know by reputation you know mr. steele. what is his reputation within the intelligence community? >> i reached o...