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Demonstrable hacking of our adversary and effort by the russian government to influence our investigation. that's far more serious than watergate and i think it's far more serious that we find out what happened rather than be concerned about leaks about the investigation into the truth. >> philip, john, thank you. >> could i just -- >> quickly. i've got to get to the next guest. go ahead. >> none of the leaks that came out in watergate were in advance of the story. they were always about six weeks behind. in this instance, the leaks seem to be almost contemporary, which is an interesting diffe...

Philip first. >> i don't know how many need to be lawyering up, as you put it. but now that there is an investigation into the trump campaign's possible collusion with the russian hacking, there is obviously some exposure. and i think it's also important to point out what hasn't yet been discussed, perhaps because people have been kind of busy, could not have read the actual appointment letter from the deputy attorney general. but he not only says that the special counsel has authority to investigate the possible collusion between the russian government and the trump campaign but also any matt...

A special counsel. that memo and the revelation of it was pretty powerful information. i would suspect phil might agree on that. i'm not sure. >> do you think -- >> i fully agree. >> go ahead, philip. >> i agree. i think the fact that the fbi director found it necessary to make this kind of memorandum from the file when he came back from the white house meeting is an indication that he was feeling a bit exposed and chagrinned and i think it also must have been a factor in the sudden change of mind that the deputy attorney general had between friday and today in deciding that he was no longer c...

Employment period for white collar defense lawyers. >> philip, you wrote an interesting piece in "the washington post." you write, "leaks may be manipulative but as in watergate, they may be as central to the transparency and accountability that the american public has the right to respect." explain that. >> yes, what i was suggesting was that one of the -- the last safeguards, one that we would least like to encourage but one that i think is necessary, is the unauthorized leaking of information and what i was suggesting was that in the watergate affair itself, the momentum for the watergate i...