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This. >> de wenter says till now, she was simply too scared to come forward. the truth is, she is scared. >> my life will change after this comes out. i will have people at work who are not going to like me because of what i've done. i'll have other people at work who say thank you for doing what you've done. >> drew, i mean she's scared. he's incredibly brave to come forward. the most startling allegation in this report is that till very recently someone has still been trying to hide the actual number of vets who the died. did you get any response from the v.a. that could explain that? >> not...

Waiting list in her desk drawer. pauline dewinter has never spoken publicly about any of tight night. senior investigator reporter drew griffin has the exclusive interview. >> reporter: pauline dewinter, a scheduling clerk at phoenix va is coming forward. because she believes she knows something that is frankly unthinkable. that is saying something considering the shameful facts of what we know happened at this va. she says some one now is trying to hide the number of u.s. veterans who died here waiting for care. in seven cases so far, where in seven cases so far, where she has determined a ve...

And elsewhere accountable. she's relied mostly on her husband to get through this. he tells me she's cried almost every night. they are finally coming to the end of this, they feel, but right now she feels her career with the v.a. is j n jeopardy. >> last night we heard congressman jeff miller, the chairman of the key mittie there. he said it's impossible to solve these problems by whitewashing them or denying they exist. that seems obvious, drew, but it does make me wonder to think that maybe we're to the point, even to that point yet where they have stopped denying and stop whitewashing the ...

Good morning to both of you. this just keeps getting worse and worse. what's unique about this, i think you can both agree, it's not partisan. this problem, unfortunately, has spanned administrations, but it does make me wonder as this gets worse and worse, where does the buck stop? when does it begin hurting the president? >> well, it may have already. as you recall, when he campaigned in 2008 he campaigned in part on trying to fix the v.a. most people think general shinseki who just resigned, terrific man, army chief of staff but clearly the place is a mess. republicans so far, you're right,...

The entire organization and change a culture that's been in existence for years. >> and on top of your reporting, the special counsel's office has sent a scathing letter to the white house, a report of their own. what's the impact of that report on top of this? >> that was really stunning to me because the office of special counsel, which protects whistleblowers and also investigates their allegations, came up with this laundry list of huge problems across the country, specific problems where the v.a. has been notified, known about problems and done nothing to correct them. let me give you jus...