>> if it wasn't before that, it was shortly after it. >> you testified that you've had a pill addiction for approximately 20 years, correct? >> i think that's -- i think that's about right. >> and so when did you start stealing money from clients? how long did it take before you started doing that? >> i'm not sure when the first time i did that is. >> you don't know? >> no, sir. >> you haven't gone back and thought about it? >> sure, i thought about it. you got to understand, i've been in rehab and jail. i don't have access to -- all my telephone calls were put on the media. i haven't had a lo...