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Reform, and the new stark treaty. go back to the 1960s to find a sheet as long as barack obama's and so i think on that front, particularly when he asked democrats on capitol hill to jump often they often say how high despite all of the facts that, you know he might not have the warmest relationships. >> and i think a lot of this is the president obama gets compared to president clinton. the two -- and that's on this front. right? and -- you know, president obama is not the 2:00 a.m. phone call guy. that's not him. president clinton loved camp david and would bring members of congress and camp...

Called her? >> i don't think anybody called her. i think she wanted to get on tv. >> bill called her. >> and the e-mails between 1993 and 1998, i might have sent less than clinton sent. you guys don't remember, some of us came to that slowly back then. >> so you are saying you are not surprised? >> i was saying do you think clinton was lying? jedediah in the 90s when e-mail was first out, that's when i first cents the first e-mail. i was e-mailing everybody, even everybody i didn't like. >> i was mad. i think they would have been juicey. we would have found something worth reading. i wish he s...

Tv. >> bill called her. >> and the e-mails between 1993 and 1998, i might have sent less than clinton sent. you guys don't remember, some of us came to that slowly back then. >> so you are saying you are not surprised? >> i was saying do you think clinton was lying? jedediah in the 90s when e-mail was first out, that's when i first cents the first e-mail. i was e-mailing everybody, even everybody i didn't like. >> i was mad. i think they would have been juicey. we would have found something worth reading. i wish he sent more. joy he was a phone call guy. he picked up the phone. >> i bet he sho...