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>> you are able to just do that so easily and so defensively, so naturally, don't you? >> i mean, that's not for me to judge. >> that is true. >> in a brief redirect, murdaugh's defense team pointing to phone data, showing maggie's phone, which was thrown by the roadside, was never moving in sync with alex at any point after the murders. murdaugh, again, denying he is a killer. >> if i was under the pressure that they are talking about here, i can promise you i would hurt myself before i would hurt one of them. >> thank you to nbc's katie back for that report. now to the containing war on wome...

With the victims just minutes before they died. >> in a brief redirect, murdaugh's defense team pointed to phone data showing that maggie's phone, which was thrown by the roadside, was never moving in sync with alex at any point after the murders. murdaugh, again denying he is a killer. >> if i was under the pressure that they are talking about here, i can promise you i would hurt myself before i would hurt one of them. >> we expect to hear several more witnesses on the stand at the beginning of next week. and then closing arguments and the case goes to the jury. keep in mind, this jury has he...

Murders as mur duh's desperation move to generate sympathy because his financial fraud was about to be exposed. witnesses included maggie's older sister, his law school roommate. the final witness was, to me, the most damaging. he coordinated suv and phone data to track murdaugh's movements on the night of murder. now it's the defense's turn before the case gets turned over to the jury. two jurors were disqualified after testing positive for covid sennarrowing the poll of alternatives to three. joining me is the national report for the "wall street journal," she's long been covering this case ...

Murders, and then -- and they played this video of the family's dog kennels. you think is both good for the prosecution, also bad for the prosecution. good for the defense and bad for the defense. >> the kennel video is i wouldn't say bad for the defense. it's the prosecution's big reveal. but it's really not a -- >> it doesn't really land. >> no. because as a defense attorney, i look at what time line i want. then i try to move it. timelines are fluid. you've got to wait for the defense to put up its case. they're going to challenge the phone data that set up this time line and also the time ...

Cast their vote for trump on january six. now it seems as though the government has not been actually able to do anything with the phone data. according to a new report by politico, a three member federal plan oh blocked investigators by asking seeing congressman sperry's phone in a secret meeting earlier this month. join me now, one of the reporters who broke the story, tom cheney, one of the senior political affairs reporter for politico. what details about the case and who blocked it and why? >> as you mentioned, the fbi seized scott perry's phone and august, and they have not been able to ...