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What do you make of that? >> i think it says a lot about the republican party right now. they're very happy in public to criticize the president but when they find an opportunity to do it in private, to do it when they have him face-to-face when it might mean a little bit more they were, you know, senators it seems like were unable to bring that to his attention. it was a luncheon. 50 -- more than 50 people in the room. maybe it's the wrong venue, it's not like you're having a face-to-face conversation with the guy. on the other hand, how often do they have him in the room that somebody can st...

The united states is a scandal for the ages. >> it really is. and that brings us to rudy giuliani who is not ruling out the possibility of president trump takesing the fifth amendment in the russia probe. in a phone interview with nbc news last night, the guy continued his runaway beer trucks routine accusing -- >> wait, mika, mika, mika, hold on. >> uh-huh. >> didn't donald trump say -- i must have got this wrong. >> what happened? >> somebody help me here. i thought donald trump said only the mob took the fifth. >> well -- >> well, he was right. >> yeah. there you go. >> i'm confused. it's k...

Family, to save embarrassment, it is not a campaign donation. >> yesterday morning, he flipped that rationale, still making the campaign connection. >> even if it was a campaign contribution, it was reimbursed out of personal funds. >> the president did know about this after the campaign? >> can't say that. i mean, at some point, yes, but it could have been recently. could have been a while back. those are the facts that we're still working on. >> all of this, a dark day for the country. last night in a phone interview, giuliani said he revealed the president's repayment of cohen to get ahead ...

Really it is notable he has to keep on cleaning up the cleanup here. but this new argument he made overnight, let me read this to you. it was part of this phone interview. he said i don't think the president realized that he paid cohen back for that specific thing, namely the stormy daniels hush money, until we, his legal team action made him aware of the paperwork. giuliani said the president responded, oh, my goodness, i guess that's what it's for. so he's suggesting the president was paying cohen back this whole time without knowing he was paying him back this whole time. asha, there's a lo...

Circumstances an attorney can bind his client with his statements. >> steve, rudy giuliani then gave a phone interview overnight to nbc news, and said the payment to stormy daniels by michael cohen was not a campaign issue. "cohen thought he was doing it to help alleviate the personal problem." then giuliani, maybe i don't know. you tell me, may have muddied the waters a bit with this comment yesterday on fox. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016, in the middle of the, last debate with hillary clinton? >> make it go away, they made this -- >> cohen didn't even ask. cohen didn't --...