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Probe,er if book that he expected jeff sessions to "protect him." and then you have following on that the "new york times" reporting that sessions may have responded to the anger of the president of the united states by going ahead and affirmatively trying to investigate one of his former political rivals and to try to smear the fbi director. you're a former federal prosecutor. have you ever heard of a set of circumstances like that coming out of the attorney general of the united states? >> no, of course not. there's so many scenarios we've never heard of. this is the person who's supposed to...

Book is that the president's close advisers, people around him, have noticed him repeating stories expression for expression you say within a short period of time. >> in a shortening period. so they've all tracked this that it used to be -- i know people would point out that in the beginning it was like every 25 or 30 minutes you would get the same three stories repeated. now it's the same three stories in every ten minutes. >> and what's the suggestion there? because that goes beyond saying okay, the president's not an intellectual. what's -- what are you arguing there? you say, for example, ...

Publicly denigrate the head of the fbi, the very popular inside the fbi director, i should add, that will really destroy his ability to lead a department that was already hurt by his unwillingness to defend them against the president's attacks. that's his credibility problem. on the criminal side, this could actually bring him into the obstruction of justice inquiry that we know robert mueller is conducting. all you have to do to be charged with obstruction of justice is to enter into a conspiracy and then take one overt act to further that conspiracy. this very well could be the overt act if ...

Call him an idiot and he was not -- >> no, i probably have called him an idiot. i probably have called him an idiot. by the way, joy, he's probably called my much worse. >> but you're not president of the united states. let's go to the next thing. you say in the book as well "is trump a good person, an intelligent person, a capable person" asked sam nunberg, "i don't know, but i know he's a star." >> is that person fit to be president? >> first of all, i'm not here to dissect. in terms of the constitution -- >> no, let me -- answer my question. is someone who doesn't care that they're -- >> ye...

Nunberg joins me now. there was an exert published that -- you were fired in the campaign but you were credited with knowing him longer and better than anyone else except omarosa, came back in the fold and said "he's just an effing fool." if he was an effing fool, why did you help get him elected president? >> joy, first of all, donald trump -- and i've been thinking about this because i've had a lot of interviews -- it's not that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, it's that he knows what he doesn't know but he doesn't care. >> he doesn't care that he doesn't know. >> and he was right in te...