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Something like immortality in politics. and the aforementioned sam nunberg joins us now. >> thank you, joy. what a nice introduction. >> a couple other things you said. an excerpt published in the hollywood reporter yesterday that you, fired during the campaign but credited with knowing him longer, better than anyone else, except make omarosa, why he's an fmplt-ing fool. if he was an f-ing fool, why did you help him get elected president? why did you want him to be president? >> first of all, joy, donald trump, i've been thinking about this, because i've had a lot of interviews. it's not that ...

And purposes, the executive producer of the network. the way that segments at fox are programmed, the way that producers are putting things on the air that they hope will appeal to donald trump or to donald trump fans. so they're programming for an audience of one. >> and to that very point, on page 223 of this book, sean hannity on his way to roger ales' funeral wh. ruminating out loud, hannity said he would leave the network and work full time than trump. nothing was more important that trump succeed, in spite of himself, hannity add, laughing. is that driven by, you know, what they think th...

Of a midsized company. >> the president obviously as you know tweeted about you last night. he says i authorized zero access to the white house. actually turned you down many times. said he never spoke to you for the book. it's full of lies, misrepresentations and sources that don't exist. as good a place to start as any. did you talk to the president -- >> what was i doing there if -- if he didn't want me to be there? >> let me ask you's did you talk to the president? interview him for this book? >> i absolutely spoke to the president. whether he realized it was an interview or not, i don't k...

Got through gotcha questions. that's where michael is not clear on the book. >> you did not call him an idiot. >> no, no. i probably have called him an idiot. by the way, joy, he's probably called me much worse. >> you're not president of the united states, sam. go to the next thing. you say in the book as well, trump is a good, intelligent capable person, trump's longtime political aide. i don't even know but i know he's a star. >> but -- hold on. do you believe just as a citizen somebody you think is san idiot, doesn't have time to sit were youen and learn what's in the constitution and you ...

Shooting off the sides. >> one of the more disturbing observations you make in the book is that the president's close advisers, people around him, noticed him repeating stories, expression for expression, you say, within a short period of time. >> in a shortened period. so they've all tracked this. that if used to be, i know people would point out in the beginning it was like every 25 or 30 minutes, you would get the same three stories repeated. now it's the same three stories in every 10 minutes. >> and what's the suggestion there? because that goes beyond saying, okay, the president's not an...