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hearing on tuesday. as trump's former white house counsel, cipollone was in the room for many of the key events during trump's attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. cipollone's name has come up extensively throughout the six hearings the committee has already held. but it was after we heard from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson late last month that the pressure really ramped up on cipollone to testify, under oath, before the committee. >> i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto west exec saturday morning and mr. cipollone said something to the ef...

extensively throughout the six hearings the committee has already held. but it was after we heard from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson late last month that the pressure really ramped up on cipollone to testify, under oath, before the committee. >> i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto west exec saturday morning and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> there are developments today o...

He might as well request a [inaudible] phony ride, it just so -- it is never happened. >> phony ride. harry, let me get your read on this. because the benefit of the committee making a deal with bannon and roads, is that it would all be admissible, but the downside is that they could turn the sober and serious hearings into a circus, potentially at the cost of losing the respect of the public. what would you do? >> forget about it. it's a stunt on both ends. [laughs] no chance the committee does it, and that's what i would do with you asked. first of all, they had zero witnesses that they have...