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Trump backs down, no wall. >> david frumm, annie karni, ben rhodes, that you for being with us. it looks like both sides are diggi digging in for a protracted battle on this shutdown. is it distestined to go into 20 some big surprise events in north carolina. i'll head over to the big board and break down what is going on in that uncalled and very much contested election in the ninth district of that state. plus, the white house reportedly feels like it is winning the fight over funding for a border wall, but is there a price that that is coming at for them? do voters care enough to make...

Maybe defines the month of january, how comfortable are democrats having their first month back in control of the house be benigned by this shut down potentially over any other plans they had? >> i don't think democrats are going to budge. donald trump tried to close the midterm election by focusing on the border, as you know well. that did not prevent the blue wave from taking back the house of representatives. all the public opinion polling shows the public knows trump is to blame for the shutdown. trump has said in his own words that he's the one shutting down the government. so democrats a...

With this agenda, the health care, the transportation, infrastructure issues, making sure the jobs are there and really dealing with the corruption in government. those are the things we're going to do, and we can do two or three things all at the same time, not to worry. we're going to get the job done come january 3rd, 4th and 5th. >> second question to you then, because earlier this year previous shutdown drama, there did seem to be the makings of a potential deal there about some money, some funding for a wall. chuck schumer offered this at the time in exchange for daca, a daca fix the dem...

How this is a comfortable negotiating position for democrats. i talked to a few republicans today who said while it's not clear what trump's end game is here, it's not uncomfortable for him either. you know, he doesn't have an election for two years. in two years, no one is going to remember this shutdown most likely. and what his base will remember is that he fought for the wall. that's something that a former republican congressman said to me today, he didn't see a political downside to that. the counter to that is that trump eventually has to get out of this situation and if he -- he doesn'...

Party, according to winston. the closing focus in the final days of the campaign was on the immigration caravan message, popular with the base and those at president trump's rallies but also controversial and divisive, particularly with independents. the people who made their decision over the last few days voted democratic by a 12-point margin. christian, you were talking about this a minute ago saying that the political pressure shifts to the democrats, but i do wonder is that -- if the wall and immigration is going to be what defines this shutdown, is there a cautionary political note for r...