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Republicans are just talking to each other. there's not a divide between chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. democrats are very comfortable in their negotiating position. here's the bottom line. number one, i was there for some shutdown fights. whoever is blamed at the beginning, that's who people think the onus for the shutdown is on. it is donald trump's fault that the government shut down. it is donald trump's fault that hundreds of thousands of hard-working americans are not getting paychecks. real people who are going to be hurt by this and who are going to remember who is at fault. and the r...

Were coming over the border, he would close the southern border. it's not the first time he made that threat and hasn't done it yet. i didn't hear of any planning for this. more this was just a threat of how serious he is about getting that $5 billion for his wall. >> david frumm, i guess that gets to another question here. in terms of trump's posture on this, we know how central that promise of a wall was to his campaign, this supposedly being his bottom line. i guess one of the questions is so much of this is about that trump base that got behind him, stood with him. how much to them is the ...

Back in 2013 the democrats in the senate together with republicans put forward a very comprehensive immigration reform, including some $700 million -- excuse me, $40 billion for border security, including fences and all of the other drones and observation and the like. we're willing to do that. most recently just this year, 2018, democrats and republicans came together on a very comprehensive way of dealing with daca and providing border security. all of the elements, fences, improve the fences, repair the fences. put in all of those things. >> could it include money for a wall? >> where neces...

This is -- he's conveying an attitude and not so much a carefully formulated policy. if this is about his base, what is the base willing to accept here? is the base willing to accept a posture even if it falls short of an actual wall? >> is the base willing to accept a major global recession? which is what closing the u.s./mexico border would mean. obviously not. i think the point is the base wants theater. donald trump delivers theater. but the people around him actually have to now do a negotiation in an environment that is increasingly inhospitable to them and they know they are trapped. >>...

The closing focus in the final days of the campaign was on the immigration caravan message, popular with the base and those at president trump's rallies but also controversial and divisive, particularly with independents. the people who made their decision over the last few days voted democratic by a 12-point margin. christian, you were talking about this a minute ago saying that the political pressure shifts to the democrats, but i do wonder is that -- if the wall and immigration is going to be what defines this shutdown, is there a cautionary political note for republicans there in what just...