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Build, where will it be, how will it be built, what is the purpose of it? we do that for the military, we do that for all of the infrastructure programs, and this member of congress isn't about to give the president a $5 billion slush fund to go build a wall wherever he wants to build it, whether it's necessary, whether it's useful or not. tell us precisely where you want to build that wall, mr. president, precisely how you're going to use the money for observation devices. and by the way, are you going to take care of the people that do arrive here seeking asylum rather than letting them die ...

implemented here that would actually close that border? >> for now my reporting shows that this is the latest sign that he is just not backing down from his demands. this is just putting his foot on the pedal trying to get the democrats to agree to money to fund the wall. the latest sign that they are just in this intractable position and aren't planning to move from it. other administration officials have met with democratic leaders over the past week, last saturday, and offered -- hinted that there could be room for negotiation. this is the president saying he really doesn't mind keeping ...

Humiliation on him because they could do either and it will be a tactical question which they want to do. >> this is not the first government shutdown we've been through. a couple of high-profile ones over the last generation. during one of those donald trump said he believed responsibility for a government shutdown belongs to the president. back in 2013 he said that president obama should be fired over a pending government shutdown. >> who's going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed there is a shutdown of our government? >> if you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top....

From stretching. unlike detergent alone, downy conditions to smooth and strengthen fibers. so, next time don't half-wash it. downy and it's done. . here's the fun part, back with our "hardball" round table, your political prediction for 2019. >> lots of red meat from the president, it's a fair prediction. but i say this, whenever he's backed against a wall he tends to lash out and reach out to his base. you're going into an election year, a year of mueller and democratic probes. i think it's going to be a year of even more red meat than we're used to. >> even more. joseph? >> democrats are g...

No reason whatsoever for nancy pelosi to have one of her first acts as speaker caving to donald trump on a wall that the american people don't want just because 30% of americans who support donald trump wanti it. >> i guess that's the question then, from a democratic standpoint if we say for republicans how committed is the base to a tangible, physical wall, i guess the question for the democrats is for their base looking at this fight, ben, what would define caving in? because you've got the situation where trump is saying $5 billion for the wall. the democrats are saying $1.3 billion for fen...