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Elevate this into the possibility that you would get that kind of debate. i mean in a sense we've had that debate since the 2010 election. once the republicans took over, that's the debate that we've been heading towards in this campaign. we had not gotten it up to this point. this creates the possibility, but i do have to say, i think that both of these campaigns are going to do very tough campaigning as well. this is not going to be a kind of a high-minded oxford style debate. this is going to be a very tough debate and they're going to be taking shots at one another. but in terms of what's ...

Ryan. i know him, i welcome him to the race. congressman ryan is a decent man, he is a family man, he's an articulate spokesman for governor romney's vision. but it's a vision i fundamentally disagree with. >> joining me, msnbc "time" magazine analyst mark halperin. >> we have a presidential system here, not a parliamentary system. i need to walk you through some of this. >> thank you very much. the front page of the "wall street journal" says ryan pick jolts race. for how long will it jolt the race? >> it's jolted the race in a lot of ways, and i think it's a more exciting and game-changing p...