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seceded states are now free. >> confederates respond saying, okay, fine, if we see black men carrying weapons against us, we will consider that as a symbol of the north's complicit in slave rebellion. >> at that moment, the war becomes a war to abolish slavery. >> there occurs the greatest battle of the war at gettysburg on july 1st, 2nd and 3rd, 1863. >> pennsylvania is as far north as the confederate army has ever gotten. if the union lost here, it cleared the way for lee to continue marching into new york. they could cut off the northern states and new england from the mississippi...

The red states, whether talking about tennessee, north dakota, something happened. the kavanaugh fight happened and that was a battle that was on republican ground. that was like robert e. lee sending his soldiers up pickets charge, except it was democrats over the past several weeks in the red red states running straight up the hill into political gunfire. let me ask you steve what you thought about "the washington post" article and the poll that they conducted yesterday that came out about 46 or 66 of the most highly contested swing districts actually 69 and there were i guess -- there's -- ...

I was just telling willie in the break, this is the political equivalent of pickets charge. >> there seems to be an effort to hurt the party more than anything, but i don't understand where these -- they don't see. do they read? do they see what this president is doing? do they really trust him at this point? >> no. they don't. and as lindsey graham said, if you're expecting this guy to have your back, watch out. >> who would? >> especially after making the house members jump off the cliff on a bill that had a 14% favorable rating and then the president calls it mean to senators and then brags...

Negotiate and i'm going to raise it. people hate raising the debt limit in the first place and the poll that was done last week shows that 61% of americans against 28% want to see a negotiation over the debt ceiling. and they are prepared to actually have it expire if it isn't a good negotiation. so that ought to be the place. and then you put in the christmas tree and you negotiate -- which obama will have to do over the debt ceiling. and you go home with what you want. it's not that complicated. i just think people here have an urge to do what pickets charge. >> what about this line from rep...

The cost of war and it's critical and you can learn a little bit about the history of the cost of war which i think is important for all americans and the american presidents to understand. pickets charge was basically a suicidal run up the side of cemetery ridge. >> you stand there and i remember -- you go to so many battlefields and there's no way for you to recreate it but you stand at the top and you look down at picket's charge and you gasp. >> right. >> you look down and you can envision 12 to 13,000 confederate soldiers running up that hill to the velocity of the union artillery and you...