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His company a few weeks ago. There were huge financial penalties he was ordered to pay in that case. He is going to appeal the judgment, going to appeal the ruling in that case. But he in the meantime has to put up a bond while he files that appeal. We have been watching this because the amount of the judgment against him was so e huge, the bond he has to put up is huge, roughly a half billion dollars. So his lawyers told the court as the deadline for filing the bond, for posting the bond approached, his lawyers told the court that they had been unable to obtain a bond. They said they had reac...

We arranged for all of that to happen in that hour as hazing for you. Youre in the frat, dont worry. Thank you, rachel. And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Really happy to have you here. Right off the top, there has been Breaking News in the last hour or so. In a couple of the legal cases involving former president donald trump, one of these we have been watching for a few weeks. He lost a big fraud case against his company a few weeks ago. There were huge financial penalties he was ordered to pay in that case. He is going to appeal the judgment, going to appeal the ruling in t...

So what's this all about? mike emanuel at the pentagon. it's hard to process this. what is this? >> well, shep, essentially it's coming from a unit of the cia known as red cell, which is tasked to think outside the box, to not think like the rest of the cia. and so they are supposed to think of big picture concepts. one of the things they warn about is that they say that the phenomenon of the americans exporting terrorism is not necessarily new. last year five pakistani americans were arrested in pakistan. the year before an american citizen did surveillance before the mumbai india terror atta...